Gays in the Military

So, I have this friend that I went to college with (I guess I’ll consider him a friend, for now). He is a right-wing Bible thumper. This friend always puts conservative talking points as his status update on Facebook. And without fail, I usually take the bait and give him a moderate/liberal view. It always ends up with him coming back to some scripture in the Bible that proves that I’m stupid and Godless. We had a healthy debate just earlier today (9/20/11) about how homosexuals are all adulterers and that the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell is going to cause straight people in the military to commit adultery because the gays can. Here is a screen shot of the argument:

Well, I was really hoping the screenshot would allow you to read it, but alas. I’ll copy and paste it for you:

Can someone objectively explain to me how we can repeal DADT but still have a policy against adultery? Last I checked, any sex outside of marriage was adultery. Not being political here, just wondering if this repeal will lead to the military telling married men, “Well, do whatever you want now too!” Feel free to share your thoughts, as I’m sure some of you will.

    • Kris And just in case you might be thinking, “Kris, we can’t use the Bible as a basis for laws,” ask yourself, “Where did the military get the idea that adultery shouldn’t be allowed?”

      about an hour ago ·

    • Spencer HicksDoes that fact that adultery isn’t allowed stop anyone from committing it? If gay people want to serve and serve openly, let ‘em. It’s not going to change anything in my world. Plus, Jesus still loves them.

      about an hour ago ·
    • Kris

      Dustin, my point is this: the military and its Commander-in-Chief need to decide what their source of law is. If it’s the Bible, then they can’t allow homosexual behavior and allow straight men to cheat on their wives and still serve. If it’s not the Bible, then what is the point of keeping the adultery code if gays can now serve and do whatever they please? Spencer, I’m not asking if that law is effective, I’m asking if it’s fair based on the arguments put forth by your party.
      55 minutes ago ·
    • Kris And yes, Spencer, Jesus does love them. That’s not my point. I’m asking once again OBJECTIVELY how do you reason out the repeal of DADT and still justify an adultery code?

      51 minutes ago ·
    • Kris And Dustin, yes the new bill allows gays to serve and do as they please, but apparently straights who cheat on their spouses or singles who have sex with married people while serving are not allowed to serve. I’m suggesting that if they are going to use the Bible and/or other moral sources for one thing, they should use it for all.

      47 minutes ago ·
    • Spencer HicksI think it’s a law that’s not enforced like DADT was. I think the military has bigger problems to solve than finding people that have cheated on their spouses and kicking them out. And seriously, if the military is going to be lenient of criminal records to allow more people to join, then infidelity isn’t a top priority.

      43 minutes ago ·
    • Spencer HicksAlso, if the military or society is going to use the Bible as it’s base for laws, then we are missing a shit-ton of laws from Leviticus.

      40 minutes ago ·
    • Spencer Hicks‎*its, not “it’s”.

      40 minutes ago ·
    • Kris I don’t think we should use the Bible as a basis for law, but clearly the law we have was based off the Ten Commandments. I just wonder where discrimination will fit in for the straight men and women in the military.

      34 minutes ago ·
    • Spencer HicksSorry I’m filling up your thread. I just finished reading “Love Wins” by Rob Bell and it has made me feel better about Christianity. I would recommend it. Wasting time worrying about gays in the military isn’t how was should be creating heaven on earth when there are so many bigger problems out there.

      34 minutes ago ·
    • Kris But I guess it’s our turn, huh?

      34 minutes ago ·
    • Kris Seriously? I read it in like 2 hours. Sorry to hear you would recommend it. I’m not worrying about gays in military, I’m simply asking for an OBJECTIVE explanation.

      33 minutes ago ·

    • 31 minutes ago ·
    • Spencer Hicks

      DADT was put in place by “my party” as you said, because “your party” wouldn’t allow homosexuals to serve. You asked for an “objective” explanation, but frame the question in a way that doesn’t allow for objectivity based on the fact that you claim all gay people are “adulterers”. If that is what you believe then there is no objective answer. So it’s a stretch to say that just because the military is no longer criminalizing homosexuals, that straight people will start committing adultery just b/c “the gays can.”

    • Kris Shiplet No time to go into it. I’ll send you a short review tomorrow :) off to work.
So, apparently with the repeal of DADT, straight people can now do whatever the hell we want. Which I’m pretty sure is has been happening since the beginning of time anyway.
Just wanted to share this exchange and let you know if we want equality for everyone, these are the kinds of people that are standing in our way. Also, let’s not forget that the military’s job is to break the ten commandments. Shit, America spends a lot of money to find new ways to murder people.
Kisses,
Spence

 

Comments

Erin
Sep 21, 2011

Your “friend” needs to do some research. You may be surprised to learn that adultery is not listed as an offense in the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). The UCMJ is a federal law, enacted by Congress, to govern legal discipline and court martials for members of the armed forces. Articles 77 through 134 of the UCMJ encompasses the “punitive offenses” (these are crimes one can be prosecuted for). None of those articles specifically mentions adultery.

Adultery in the military is actually prosecuted under Article 134, which is also known as the “General Article.” Article 134 simply prohibits conduct which is of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, or conduct which is prejudicial to good order and discipline.

In a very quiet move, in 2002, President Bush adopted many of the changes to the Elements of Proof,” the “Explanation” section under this offense now requires commanders to consider several factors when determining whether or not the offense of “adultery” constitutes a crime.
Kris is acting like ALL of the military are christian or even have morals. Anyone who’s ever lived on base knows how completely incestual it can be. And who is to define what adultery is? The Traditional Roman Catholics don’t believe in divorce because you will always be married to the 1st person so anyone after that is commiting adultery.
Besides, all this “adultery” could be stopped if we allow the gays to marry.

Jackson Baer
Sep 21, 2011

Love Wins was a great book, I’m glad you enjoyed it. Your friend should learn a little humility and grace. Christians are supposed to be known for that, even when we disagree with something.

The Bible does not teach eternal punishment. God’s love & mercy endures forever. Does it really endure forever or only in this life? How can it be Good News if it doesn’t translate to the afterlife? God will still judge but He will not punish forever. He’s a better father than we are, right?

1 Tim 4:10 This is why we work hard and continue to struggle, for our hope is in the living God, who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers.

That’s like saying track is for everyone, especially for those who like to run. Salvation is for everyone, especially those who believe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjRcO1Sm0HU

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